No, no, no more it's it's all too-too much. But, yes thanks for the help.
Today, Monday February 3, 2004, New York Times Science section. You gotta read this article to believe it. Dragonflies the size of hawks. Spiders the size of Fed-Ex boxes, 5 feet long 7 inch wide centipedes and cereal bowl sized crawling bugs.
Big Deal! Right?
Yes. What they don't say is because insects don't have internal skeletons they can't grow much bigger than they are today. If THE GRAVITY IS WHAT IT IS TODAY!
Of course, if, 300 million years ago, gravity on Earth was less than half of what it is today
Then these gigantic insects could exist.
If a giant dragonfly lived here today, it wouldn't live. It would collapse and die. It couldn't flap its wings (forget flutter) they would snap and break off. There is reasons insects are not giants today. Animals, birds, fish and insects are subject to the electromagnetic attraction we call gravity.
Increased oxygen will not produce gigantic insects because gravity won't allow it.
Scientists are scratching their heads in total puzzlement over this phenomenon. It is not a puzzle if you take seriously Neal's theory.
Why the Earth's growth is not taken seriously as the explanation even though it is a clearly superior and logical reason is not hard to understand. If you read this article you can almost feel the scientists reaching out for such an all-encompassing rationale.
Problem is, acceptance of such a radical theory would open a Pandora's box of controversy and, hell, a new theory of everything else. That would really shake things up. Too scary for most serious scientists.
Thing is, if you asked "most" scientists, who discuss (on and off) this phenomenon, if a smaller lower gravity Earth would explain the existence of these gigantic insects, they would agree that this would indeed answer all the questions. (Well an argumentative or truculent fellow or two might thump about but on the whole they'd love to have this explanation at their disposal).
Here's the article:
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When Giants Had Wings and 6 Legs ![]() There was a time when giants roamed the Earth. No, not those giants, the dinosaurs that stomped and slogged their way through the Mesozoic Era. These giants crawled and crept, slithered and scurried, burrowed, slinked, skittered and, above all, flitted and fluttered millions of years before the dinosaurs arrived. They were the giant arthropods of the Carboniferous. There were extra-large mayflies, supersized scorpions and spiders the size of a healthy spider plant. There was an array of giant flightless insects, and a five-foot-long millipede-like creature, Arthropleura, that resembled a tire tread rolled out flat. But perhaps the most remarkable of all were the giant dragonflies, Meganeuropsis permiana and its cousins, with wingspans that reached two and a half feet. They were the largest insects that ever lived. These large species thrived about 300 million years ago, when much of the land was lush and tropical and there was an explosion of vascular plants (which later formed coal, which is why the period is called the Carboniferous). But the giant species were gone by the middle to late Permian, some 50 million years later. Scientists have long suspected that atmospheric oxygen played a central role in both the rise and fall of these organisms. Recent research on the ancient climate by Dr. Robert A. Berner, a Yale geologist, and others reinforces the idea of a rise in oxygen concentration - to about 35 percent, compared with 21 percent now - during the Carboniferous. Because of the way many arthropods get their oxygen, directly through tiny air tubes that branch through their tissues rather than indirectly through blood, higher levels of the gas might have allowed bigger bugs to evolve. But there are other possibilities - a lack of predators, for example. Fundamentally, no one is certain why there were giants. "It's been out there in the literature for a long time without a causal mechanism," said Dr. Robert Dudley, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley who has studied the effects of elevated oxygen pressures on modern insects. "This is a very imperfect science. There's a very fragmented paleontological record." Dr. Jon F. Harrison, a professor at Arizona State who has performed similar studies, said, "It's still in the realm of speculation." While there has been much interesting research, he added, "it doesn't prove anything yet." Some scientists argue that these large species may have been nothing out of the ordinary, that, in effect, they may not have been giants at all. Dr. David Grimaldi, a curator in the division of invertebrate zoology at the American Museum of Natural History and co-author of a forthcoming book on the evolution of insects, noted that most Carboniferous insects were of very similar size to those found today. But the fossil record tends to be biased toward larger specimens for the simple reason that they are easier to find. Though about a million insect species now exist, Dr. Grimaldi added, over about 75 million years of the Carboniferous, as species came and went, there were bound to be many more. So the largest species may simply represent the upper range of a far more diverse population. |
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Insects "breathe" through holes in their bodies, called spiracles, which are attached to hollow tubes, or tracheas. The tracheas branch into smaller and smaller tubes, and the oxygen diffuses through them, nourishing the extreme reaches of the insect's body. At current oxygen levels, there is an overall length limit of these tracheal tubes; beyond that, the oxygen level is inadequate. This effectively limits insect size. One approach, Dr. Harrison said, involves determining whether it is harder for larger insects to get oxygen. If this is true, he added, higher oxygen levels are a benefit to them, and it can be argued that larger insects have had an evolutionary advantage in a high-oxygen atmosphere. But Dr. Harrison said most of his experiments with grasshoppers and dragonflies do not really support the idea that raising the oxygen level makes a difference. "You've got all the oxygen you need already," he said. For one thing, he noted, larger insects do not breathe through passive diffusion only. There is some pumping that creates pressure differentials that cause air to actually flow through the tubes, reaching farther than by diffusion alone. Other research, however, has shown that there is some effect of greater oxygen concentration on the size of an organism. Studies of marine invertebrates, for example, have found a correlation between larger species and colder, more oxygen-rich waters: the more oxygen in the water, essentially, the bigger the creatures get. Dr. Dudley and others have conducted experiments raising fruit flies and other insects in oxygen-rich environments. Some have shown size increases; others have not. Dr. Dudley has focused on pressure because, in addition to having a higher concentration of oxygen, the Carboniferous atmosphere would have had much more of the gas. "Plants were pumping oxygen into the atmosphere," he said. The amount of nitrogen would have been undiminished, so overall pressure would have risen. Though the results have yet to be published, his experiments with fruit flies raised under elevated pressures show a 20 percent increase in body mass over five generations. But why would more oxygen make for bigger insects? One idea, Dr. Harrison said, is that oxygen may be a trigger for molting. Before they shed their skin, Dr. Harrison said, invertebrates generally double their weight. During this period, their spiracles and tracheas are of pre-molting size, but they could use much more oxygen to grow. So the ancient atmosphere would have provided more oxygen during molting, enabling greater growth. "That might be a mechanism that would explain this," he said. Or it may not. For so much remains unknown about these giants. There may be plenty to suggest that oxygen played a role in their evolution, Dr. Dudley said, "but it's real difficult to take it one step further." |
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You've watched the show??? Yes, of course you have. This dinosaur is the Tarascosaurus, a type of Tyranosaur that lived between 88 million years ago to 93 million years ago. Bones from this dinosaur have been found and studied in Southern Africa. It's a well known dinosaur and it's my checkmate to the scientific community. |
Why? Well, because (Phil) bones from this specific form of dinosaur have been found in France. What does this prove? What does this mean? It means:
1. The Pangea theory is completely wrong.
2. There is no Laurasia.
3. There is/was no Godswanaland
4. There was no Tethys Sea.
5. Finally it means that dinosaurs migrated (as Neal said) from
the Northern Hemisphere to the Southern Hemisphere as only birds
do now.
How can this small discovery in France mean all of this conclusively?
Well, it's not just the bones and the fact that they exactly match dinosaurs in Africa so that there can be no doubt. It's the fact that this type of dinosaur is locked in time about 88 million years ago. This is irrevocable and incontrovertible proof, for which there can be absolutely no doubt.
I'll explain.
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The study of tectonics is filled with nonsense and jibberish. It says continents or upper tectonic plates move about the Earth randomly, bumping and crashing into each other in their random way, making mountains and such (ssssilly.) around the Earth, moved by convection of the magma. This is a 'stupid theory' because the upper plates are buried into and are part of the lower tectonic plate like a tree stump buried in the land. This lower tectonic land must move if the upper plate moves. They are part of each other. All physics says this can't happen. Placing that aside and going with the insanity, science says about 600 million years ago all the upper tectonic plates gathered together (by some mysterious manner of means) into one big gigantic island and they 'fused' together. ??? |
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Just a question here, is this he oddest damn planet you've ever seen?
Let me explain, by the way, that there is no, absolutely no proof of the existence of this gigantic ocean 600 million years ago, or 500 million years ago, or 400 million years, or 300 million years ago or even 200 million years ago. What do we have proof of? Well we have proof that shallow seas covered as much as 2/3's of the "land" or upper tectonic plate. (Of course I say this is "all" that existed, the "land" and shallow seas. No deep oceans!) So what was sea level at that time?
Now, according to science, about 180 million years ago, the island of Pangea began to tear in two! (odd, huh?)
The upper portion moved, for some reason, north to the north
pole, (North America and Eurasia) the lower portion (South America,
Africa, Australia and Antarctica) moved to the south pole. In
between these two halves, a gigantic ocean spread around the equator
that was one to three thousand miles wide. The scientists called
this spread the Tethys Sea.
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Antarctica would become the South Pole and in time the continents South America, Africa and Australia would peel off of Antarctica and incredibly begin again to move north. Eventually they say South America will crash into North America and Africa will crash into Europe. (This of course is simply too stupid for words, but I'll go on cause words are the devices we use.) If you've been reading carefully, you will realize that at the time of Tarascosaurus that 83 million years ago was in the midst of the time that the vaunted Tethys Sea existed. No humble Mediterranean, but a two thousand mile wide ocean. |
How then is it possible that Tarascosaurus existed in lower Africa and France.
It is, in fact impossible if the Tethys Sea existed! No dinosaur of any sort could have gotten from the northern continent to the southern continent.
If one did get to the opposite continent, the Tethys Sea simply and irrevocably could not have existed! No dinosaur can swim a 2000 mile wide sea. To find those bones in France could not have happened or the Tethys Sea cannot have existed. They are mutually exclusive.
Worse, if the Tethys Sea did not exist, the islands of Godswanna and Laurasia did not exist but even more Pangea can't have existed as described. It may have been a gigantic island that covered a smaller planet. That's possible! But Pangea, as described, without a Tethys Sea cannot make possible Antarctica reaching the south pole or make North America and Asia surround the North Pole. The house of cards built over a period of 35 years must now come tumbling down. The battle is won and lost. The soldiers of the vanquished army may still command the field but their efforts are doomed.
MIGRATION
You have read me and possibly heard me say that dinosaurs differ from reptiles in that dinosaurs evolved downfacing legs. And that they did this so that they could migrate from one hemisphere to the other as the concept of seasons came into a previously unchanging climate. All dinosaurs, I argue, migrated hemisphere to hemisphere with the seasons.
This activity will not only raise the dinosaurs above the reptiles and make them the lords and conquerors of the planet, but one sad day this superiority will be the dinosaur's downfall! One day the rifting and spreading will cut off dinosaur migration from hemisphere to hemisphere and 62 million years ago these conquerors will be driven to destruction. The balance tipped, new evolving mammals and marsupials will eat the exposed eggs of the dinosaurs. Except for the birds, the dinosaurs will die off!
But that's 62 million years ago! Eighty three million years ago, in reality, the Mediterranean had not rifted open, that Tarascosaurus who summered in France was easily able to migrate with hundreds of thousands of other dinosaurs to Africa.
That is the only possible way this type of dinosaur can exist in both France and Southern Africa.
FINALLY
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This humble dinosaur's running speed is the subject of the scientific narrator of this series. He tells us "other scientists" have analyzed its running power at its weight. Their conclusion: First: At his size, 80 percent of his body weight must be in his legs. Well, obviously this is not so. Second: At his body weight, he must only run at a top speed of 10 miles per hour. Well, even the animators have shown the Tarascosaurus running at 40 or 50 miles per hour. His body is made for speed. Clearly the analysis is wrong But is it. An elephant, not as big, has shoulder blades that have grown forward to protect the elephant's neck from spin torque. The elephant also has a massive trunk that helps to counterbalance the elephant's head as he turns it side to side. The Tarascosaurus has no such protection. |
From the front line,
Neal Adams